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John Greco

Drafted by LAR · GM Jay Zygmunt · Toledo

All NFL teams

Full-career context

These totals follow John Greco across every NFL team. Draft credit is separated below for each team that selected him.

Games played132
Games started77
Weighted career AV29
Pro Bowls0
AP1 All-Pro0
Career seasons11

Accountability by draft event

What each drafting team received

2008 · Round 3 · #65

LAR draft credit

GM Jay Zygmunt

Team games26
Team starts4
On-team AV2
On-team PB / AP10 / 0
Terrible-3.52 contribution26th of 26 picks for this GM

Games: direct team-season record. Starts: direct team-season record.

Long-career hit

John Greco became a 11-season, 132-game NFL player after going #65. The retained-value model still ranks him 26th of 26 for Jay Zygmunt because LAR only got 26 of those games.

His retained-value contribution score (opportunity plus quality plus recognition, with related outcomes collapsed inside each bucket) is -3.52. This is a per-pick accountability metric, separate from Jay Zygmunt's leaderboard composite θ.

Full-career context prevents this from being labeled as a bad talent pick: the negative model score is about retained team value, not whether the draft identified an NFL-caliber player.

The walkthrough below shows which bucket carried the pick: playing time, value quality, or league honors.

Opportunity
Did he earn the field?
Games played
26
on drafting team · 132 full-career
Games started
4
on drafting team · 77 full-career
Snap-z
0.0
0 modeled seasons
Quality
Was that time valuable?
On-team AV
2
modeled; full weighted AV 29
AV / 1k snaps
snap-era only
AV-rate z
position-year adjusted quality
Recognition
Did the league notice?
Pro Bowls
0
all on drafting team
AP1 All-Pro
0 AP1
all on drafting team · AP2 context 0
All-Decade
0
context only

Did this pick move Jay Zygmunt's grade?

The first chart removes the time axis: every Jay Zygmunt pick is sorted by retained contribution across opportunity, quality, and recognition. John Greco totals -3.52. The second chart breaks that same contribution into the seasons when the evidence arrived. Opportunity and quality can move separately, which keeps high-snap, low-AV profiles from looking cleaner than they are.

Aggregate contribution by player

-3-2-10+1228. Chamberlain#228 · Chris Chamberlain · aggregate +1.34154. Ryan#154 · Clifton Ryan · aggregate +1.24113. Adeyanju#113 · Victor Adeyanju · aggregate +1.15252. Vobora#252 · David Vobora · aggregate +0.73101. King#101 · Justin King · aggregate +0.48242. Setterstrom#242 · Mark Setterstrom · aggregate +0.3446. Klopfenstein#46 · Joe Klopfenstein · aggregate +0.29249. Stanley#249 · Derek Stanley · aggregate +0.1584. Wade#84 · Jonathan Wade · aggregate +0.14128. Burton#128 · Keenan Burton · aggregate +0.00248. Jackson#248 · Keith Jackson · aggregate -0.01221. McGarigle#221 · Tim McGarigle · aggregate -0.10144. Hagans#144 · Marques Hagans · aggregate -0.26243. Palmer#243 · Tony Palmer · aggregate -0.2768. Wroten#68 · Claude Wroten · aggregate -0.38190. Shackleford#190 · Ken Shackleford · aggregate -0.44157. Schuening#157 · Roy Schuening · aggregate -0.56139. Fry#139 · Dustin Fry · aggregate -0.5793. Byrd#93 · Dominique Byrd · aggregate -0.6715. Hill#15 · Tye Hill · aggregate -0.8377. Alston#77 · Jon Alston · aggregate -0.8933. Avery#33 · Donnie Avery · aggregate -1.0113. Carriker#13 · Adam Carriker · aggregate -1.0652. Leonard#52 · Brian Leonard · aggregate -1.872. Long#2 · Chris Long · aggregate -2.52Long -2.565. Greco#65 · John Greco · aggregate -3.52Greco -3.5

Incremental contribution by season

-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-10+1+22006 · Joe Klopfenstein · incremental +0.192006 · Mark Setterstrom · incremental +0.242006 · Victor Adeyanju · incremental +0.522006 · Marques Hagans · incremental -0.022006 · Tim McGarigle · incremental -0.082006 · Claude Wroten · incremental -0.482006 · Tony Palmer · incremental -0.502006 · Tye Hill · incremental -0.702006 · Dominique Byrd · incremental -0.872006 · Jon Alston · incremental -1.452007 · Derek Stanley · incremental +0.072007 · Jonathan Wade · incremental +0.102007 · Mark Setterstrom · incremental +0.112007 · Joe Klopfenstein · incremental +0.252007 · Clifton Ryan · incremental +0.322007 · Victor Adeyanju · incremental +0.512007 · Claude Wroten · incremental -0.102007 · Tim McGarigle · incremental -0.112007 · Keith Jackson · incremental -0.132007 · Tye Hill · incremental -0.322007 · Dominique Byrd · incremental -0.322007 · Marques Hagans · incremental -0.462007 · Ken Shackleford · incremental -0.752007 · Dustin Fry · incremental -0.952007 · Adam Carriker · incremental -0.982007 · Brian Leonard · incremental -2.832008 · Jonathan Wade · incremental +0.142008 · Derek Stanley · incremental +0.152008 · David Vobora · incremental +0.152008 · Joe Klopfenstein · incremental +0.212008 · Chris Chamberlain · incremental +0.332008 · Victor Adeyanju · incremental +0.562008 · Clifton Ryan · incremental +0.752008 · Keenan Burton · incremental -0.022008 · Justin King · incremental -0.032008 · Brian Leonard · incremental -0.112008 · Tye Hill · incremental -0.172008 · Adam Carriker · incremental -0.572008 · Donnie Avery · incremental -0.912008 · Roy Schuening · incremental -0.942008 · John Greco · incremental -2.652008 · Chris Long · incremental -5.262009 · Derek Stanley · incremental +0.012009 · Keenan Burton · incremental +0.032009 · Chris Long · incremental +0.032009 · Jonathan Wade · incremental +0.052009 · Mark Setterstrom · incremental +0.162009 · Victor Adeyanju · incremental +0.202009 · Justin King · incremental +0.282009 · Chris Chamberlain · incremental +0.352009 · David Vobora · incremental +0.562009 · Clifton Ryan · incremental +0.862009 · Donnie Avery · incremental -0.602009 · John Greco · incremental -2.562010 · Clifton Ryan · incremental +0.022010 · Justin King · incremental +0.082010 · David Vobora · incremental +0.432010 · Chris Chamberlain · incremental +0.522010 · Chris Long · incremental -0.012010 · John Greco · incremental -0.322011 · Chris Long · incremental +0.012011 · Justin King · incremental +0.382011 · Chris Chamberlain · incremental +0.962012 · Chris Long · incremental +0.002013 · Chris Long · incremental -0.002014 · Chris Long · incremental -0.002015 · Chris Long · incremental +0.03Leonard -2.8Greco -2.6Long -5.3Greco -2.6Greco -0.3200610 players200716 players200816 players200912 players20106 players20113 players20121 player20131 player20141 player20151 player
Above expectationBelow expectationJohn GrecoGM total -9.1John Greco by season -5.5

How much retained production did John Greco return vs. his slot?

Each mark below is one player's model value above slot. Light gray marks are slot-similar peers: Ts drafted within ±5 picks of John Greco since 2010 (10 players).The score is the retained production/value bucket from the pick-residual model: on-team AV plus AV-rate quality, adjusted for draft slot, position, and era. Opportunity snaps and league honors are excluded.

-1.5-1-0.50+0.5Model value above slot62. O'NeillBrian O'Neill · model value +0.864. BrownCharles Brown · model value +0.463. GilbertMarcus Gilbert · model value +0.364. BrittJustin Britt · model value +0.269. Petit-FrereNicholas Petit-Frere · model value -0.165. ParkerBrandon Parker · model value -0.260. OsemeleKelechi Osemele · model value -0.369. VeldheerJared Veldheer · model value -0.667. TurnerBilly Turner · model value -161. DucasseVlad Ducasse · model value -165. GrecoJohn Greco · model value -1.5-1.5
John GrecoSlot-similar peers (10)

Cumulative value over time

Year-by-year running totals since draft. Left axis = games started. Right axis = honors (Pro Bowl / AP1 / AP2). Pre-2013 picks have no games-started line because that comes from per-game snap counts (not available for older players). Honors extend back to 1980.

'08'10'12'14'16'1801938577601Cumulative GSHonors count
Games started (cumulative) Pro Bowls AP1 All-Pro AP2 All-Pro

Full-career season history (11 scored seasons)

YearTeamGPGSSnapsSnap-zAVAV/snapPBAP1AP2
2008LAR911
2009LAR1131
2010LAR600
2011CLE1501
2012CLE14105
2013CLE14139700.855.2
2014CLE16161,1171.265.4
2015CLE14139370.766.4
2016CLE12127830.456.4
2017NYG61121-1.200.0
2018NYG157534-0.047.5

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